A while ago I had an interview with a civ lit firm during our school’s on-campus interview period. Competition to interview on campus is intense because there are only maybe 20 or so firms that come on campus to interview and out of that only about 5-8 were business planning/transaction oriented firms that I was interested in working for. There were also another 10 or so public interest firms. I wanted to get paid and I wanted to up my odds of getting asked to interview since the employers pick out about 15-25 students based on the 100’s of resumes they get during the resume drop week at the beginning of each semester. Pretty standard at most schools. So to increase the chances of at least getting some interview experience, I applied to civ lit firms as well as business planning firms.
I would imagine having a decent amount of moot court experience was why I was chosen for 2 civ lit firms along with 2 public interest positions I was interested in (and one which I got for the fall) and no business planning firms. My other interest of estate planning, had no representatives coming to our campus. Well, so my thinking was that I could get some good experience interviewing and who knows, maybe I would grow to like litigation. I have yet to actually conduct a trial, so no negatives. I also liked evidence and civ pro very much. So what the hell, right?
Well, I get into the interview and right off the bat the guy wants to know why I want to work at his firm. The obvious reason would be that I didn’t have a job lined up for summer and they were offering a hell of a lot of money, like more than twice what I’ve ever made even if converted to a per hour basis and adding in benefits from the bank job. I led off with moot court and my other research or skill-based endevours. He seemed okay with those, but still a little skeptical since I hadn’t done mock trial or taken any advanced courses in litigation. He asks if I saw their website. I reply that I did see their website and I even try to feel him out on moving into transactions.
“So I see you have a division for business clients. Does that mean at your firm there would be an opportunity to help clients plan out their business strategies or tax consequences, etc?”
“No, we just have an attorney on the side who will do that for a litigation client if they need something filed.”
“Oh.”
“So you are interested in transactions? I’m not sure we could come up with enough work to keep you interested.”
“Well, as I said, I’m looking to gain experience and at this point, I’m not adverse to litigation. Your firm looks like it offers a great environment to learn in.”
And this is where it just seemed that the interview was over. He gave me the impression that he had already made up his mind about me. I could see all interest in me draining from his face. I saw a very lucrative summer melting into the floor of the interview room. I literally recall seeing dollar signs disappearing (Yeah, I know, you should do what you love and let any money follow from that…but I’m pretty far in the hole like many people with law school debt and so at this point I still consider myself a stem cell law student, able to mold into any type of lawyer.) So then he delivers his final blow:
“So why are your grades so low?”
I must have given away that I was shocked he had asked me this. Look, this post is by no means meant to be a sounding board for how great I am or even to complain about any mediocrity. I sit a little above the middle of my class and I have friends who are very smart who are both below and above me and all do varying levels of other activities. I have not met someone who has made it through the first years of law school who would be considered stupid by the average meaning of that word. There are a number of dumbasses, but at least once you are into the second year, despite ranking and gpas and journal positions and on-campus interview hits, I think I am surrounded by capable people. So it seemed to me that since I likely got an interview based on my extra-curriculars since they already knew my grades, that this was a stupid question.
In hindsight, he may have been setting me up to defend the grades with some other accomplishment. However, it was just the disdain with which he looked upon my grades that shocked me. I looked up the lawyers who could be interviewing me ahead of time. None of them had order of the coif listed in their profile. I didn’t even see a cum laude. Granted, I’m not in the position to be questioning a founding partner of the firm that I would like to give me a chance, but I think in law school even students in the bottom half of the class who show motivation should be given a chance and certainly not leveled with this judgment over their grades.
Anyway, obviously I didn’t get this job. I think it was over way before the scales of justice tipped away from the favor of me and my lowly grades. In the end I was just sort of psyched that I had gotten any interviews. Usually it is the same collection of names on every sheet of interviewees. I guess most people already had summer jobs from the fall interviews. Lesson learned? Take comments like that in stride. I’m much quicker now at moving on to other aspects of my resume or to point out the diversity of courses I have taken.
-jd